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Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 08-08-2008, 07:03 PM:

My team:

Center- Dan Issel- Tough, smart and could shoot from anywhere on the court. No center like him that played for Kentucky...

Power Forward- Jamal Mashburn- Strong agile and played both ends of the court.

Small Forward- Tayshaun Prince- One of the best all around player Kentucky ever had and could play multiple positions..

Shooting Guard-Rex Chapman athletic and could shoot from any spot on the floor.

Point- Rajon Rondo best rebounder, passer and defensive point i have seen at Kentucky and still managed to shoot 49% as a freshman and sophomore.

Coach- Adolph Rupp, no contest...

[ 03-19-2020, 11:49 AM: Message edited by: catmandoo ]

Posted by prophet (Member # 2089) on 08-08-2008, 08:07 PM:

Not one member of the Fabulous Five, thus the folly of trying to compare players of 60 years ago with those of today.

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 08-08-2008, 08:19 PM:

Prophet, The players of today are bigger, stronger, faster and play competition far better than they did back that far. Probably not all want to hear that but it's true. It isn't just basketball either it's every sport...

Posted by m hamilton (Member # 127) on 08-08-2008, 09:20 PM:

IF you don't believe CMD, look at the size of alot of your starting linemen on both side of the line in football! Todays players would outweigh yesterdays players by 80-100 Lbs.

Posted by Old Norm (Member # 1482) on 08-08-2008, 09:54 PM:

George Mikan played for the Minneapolis (Minnesota) Lakers back in 1949-1956. He was considered a giant at the time at 6'10" and was unstoppable. I don't think there is any pro team now, that doesn't have at least one player taller than that.

Posted by country cat (Member # 1774) on 08-09-2008, 07:28 AM:

center-----issel

pf-------- kenny walker
sf-------- cotton nash
pg---------kyle macy
sg-------- louie dampier
coach------rupp

[ 08-09-2008, 07:29 AM: Message edited by: country cat ]

Posted by Bama Cat (Member # 153) on 08-09-2008, 08:34 AM:

You can't fault either lineup and I could probaby come up with a third one that would include Rick Robey and Pat Riley.

Posted by prophet (Member # 2089) on 08-09-2008, 11:14 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by catmandoo:
Prophet, The players of today are bigger, stronger, faster and play competition far better than they did back that far. Probably not all want to hear that but it's true. It isn't just basketball either it's every sport...

Of course it's true. A person would be a fool to suggest otherwise and thus the folly of trying to pick an "all-time" anything. Using that criteria Babe Ruth wouldn't make such a baseball team; Johnny Unitas wouldn't be considered for NFL; Johnnie Weismueller -- to emphasize the point probably not Mark Spitz -- in swimming. Pick any physical endeavor where training, nutrition, equipment, not to mention demographcs are concerned and present athletes are considerably superior

Posted by PaulCat (Member # 513) on 08-10-2008, 01:59 AM:

C - Issel
PF - Kenny Walker
SF - Prince
SG - Delk or Chapman (toss a coin)
PG - Macy (over Rondo because you don't want Rondo in the game at the end)
Coach - Rupp

Comparing yesterday's players to today's, I think those in the past were A LOT tougher than those of today. Just thinking of the 78 finals against Duke - I can remember all the pushing and shoving and elbow throwing that went on in that game. It seemed like a fight would break out at any minute. Today's players are soft compared to those of many years ago. Just my opinion.

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 10-29-2008, 02:25 PM:

PC, That's the time you want Rondo in the game as his quickness can break down most any one they put on him. He can find the open man for the shot or take it to the basket. Macy could shoot but didn't have the athleticism or quickness to get his own shot. If he played today he would probably have to be a off guard because of his foot speed..

If your talking because of his free throw ability there is no one to have on the line at any time of the game better than Macy but he has to get there first.

Posted by Tiptree (Member # 844) on 10-29-2008, 03:51 PM:

I'll have to ease the restrictions and give myself the luxury of a backup at each position [Big Grin]

C: Issel/Magloire
PF: Mashburn/Walker (although Patterson is about to make this lineup!)
SF: Prince/Givens
SG: Delk/Chapman
PG: Rondo/Minniefield

Could you imagine the defensive pressure a backcourt of Rondo and Delk could apply? Or having both Mash and Prince able to take it inside AND shot the trey? And not many players will want to bang all 40 minutes against Big Dan and Jamaal...

Ah, the richness of UK basketball history. What a treasure!

[ 10-29-2008, 07:21 PM: Message edited by: Tiptree ]

Posted by fatone6 (Member # 1742) on 10-29-2008, 06:11 PM:

C-Issel/Bowie
PF-Kenny SkyWalker/Mashburn
SF-Prince/Givens
SG-Chapman/Delk
PG-Minniefield/Macy

Posted by Tiptree (Member # 844) on 10-29-2008, 07:19 PM:

Doh! I was thinking of Minniefield, not Davender. Thanks, fatone6!

I edited my post above accordingly...

[ 10-29-2008, 07:22 PM: Message edited by: Tiptree ]

Posted by Atlanta Cat Fan (Member # 1746) on 10-29-2008, 08:31 PM:

C-Issel/Bowie
PF-Mashburn/Patterson/Walker
SF-Prince/Givens
SG-Chapman/Delk
PG-Minniefield/Macy

Patterson's freshman year was the best of the bunch but I am struggling too much to leave any of these guys out given how good Mash and Walker were as upper classmen. Rondo's game was too unpolished at UK for me to want him running the point on an all-time great team, although he was a stud.

Posted by kynut (Member # 2934) on 10-30-2008, 12:22 PM:

Cotton Nash is the best pure athlete to ever step on our court. Any all-time team is incomplete without him! Where to put him? Try any position!

Posted by country cat (Member # 1774) on 10-30-2008, 02:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by kynut:
Cotton Nash is the best pure athlete to ever step on our court. Any all-time team is incomplete without him! Where to put him? Try any position!

kynut---some of our younger posters never heard or seen him play---they just dont know how really good he was

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 10-30-2008, 04:20 PM:

cc, A few facts about Cotton Nash.

1. He was listed as a 6'5" Center/Forward although i have heard tell he played some shooting guard.
2. He averaged 22.6 points per game for his 3 year career.
3. His field goal percentage for 3 years was 41.7% with a high of 45.2% and a low of 37.4% which is hardly that impressive especially for a inside player.
4. His free throw percentage was 73.7 for his three years at Kentucky which isn't that great either.
5. His rebounding average was 12.3 for 3 years which is impresive for a 6'5" inside player but in todays times he would probably have to play a shooting guard.
6. He averaged 2.5 assists per game which is ok but not outstanding.

His stats are really not that good to be considered to make the all Kentucky team imo. Maybe you or others can shed some light on him that i may be missing.

Link

[ 10-30-2008, 04:31 PM: Message edited by: catmandoo ]

Posted by Tiptree (Member # 844) on 10-30-2008, 04:53 PM:

I dunno, CMD.

Imagine if UK could land a player that averaged 22 pts, 12 boards, and almost 3 assists per game, for three years. Sounds like All-American material to me, regardless of the era.

I was too young to see Cotton Nash. My earliest memories would be in the early 70's, hence Issel is my 'oldest' player on the list.

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 10-30-2008, 05:24 PM:

TT, Patterson shot over 57% as a freshman against far superior talent than what was around in the time Nash played. Nash shot 41% playing a inside position. To put into perspective Rondo shot 49 % as a point guard and everyone thought he was a terrible shooter.

I guess it's who you are and what you want to believe but i find it extremely hard to believe that Nash could compete against the athletes of today just as it will be for todays athletes to compete against athletes in the next 20 years..

Posted by country cat (Member # 1774) on 11-01-2008, 12:30 PM:

cmd
prince average 5,62 rebounds per game
1,88 assit per game
45,7 field goal percent
73,6 free throw percent
13,15 points per game

nash
12,33 rebounds per game
2,55 assit per game
41,7 field goal percent
73,6 free throw percent
22,69 points per game
if his is not that great---what does that make prince"s and nash was always double teamed--sometimes triple teamed---so yes i would rather have nash on my all time team

[ 11-01-2008, 12:32 PM: Message edited by: country cat ]

Posted by kynut (Member # 2934) on 11-04-2008, 10:49 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by country cat:
cmd
prince average 5,62 rebounds per game
1,88 assit per game
45,7 field goal percent
73,6 free throw percent
13,15 points per game

nash
12,33 rebounds per game
2,55 assit per game
41,7 field goal percent
73,6 free throw percent
22,69 points per game
if his is not that great---what does that make prince"s and nash was always double teamed--sometimes triple teamed---so yes i would rather have nash on my all time team

At 6'5" Nash was forced to play the 5 because we had no one else to do it. For most of his career he was literally a one man team aND WAS ALWAYS DOUBLE OR TRIPLE TEAMED......not just some of the time but ALWAYS! I appreciate the stats comparison with Prince because the stats are overwhelmingly in Nash's favor, but even they do not tell the whole story of Cotton Nash. Cotton was not only a great basketball player but also an outstanding all-conference baseball player and a football player who UK wanted to play end on the football team as well as baseball and basketball. Trust me when I tell you that Cotton was the smoothest athlete UK has ever had in any sport. When he ran he looked like silk in motion....more like a gazelle than a human. Plus, he was voted All-American three times (how many 3 time AA's have we had?). I'm sorry that our younger fans never got to see him.

[ 11-04-2008, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: kynut ]

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 05-12-2012, 01:04 PM:

It's 4 years later and the players have changed. Who would be your Kentucky All-Star team now?

Cousins-Center
Davis-Power Forward
Prince-Small Forward
Delk-Shooting Guard
Rondo-Point Guard

Posted by AshlandCatFan (Member # 3058) on 05-12-2012, 03:31 PM:

C-Davis
PF-Patterson
SF-MKG
SG-Lamb
PG-Wall

The speed and athleticism would be sick to watch

Posted by Bama Cat (Member # 153) on 05-12-2012, 05:06 PM:

To be fair you'd have to make it a 13 man roster.

1. Issel
2. Davis
3. Cousins
4. Mashburn
5. Nash
6. Chapman
7. Dampier
8. Macy
9. Wall
10. Lamb
11. Delk
12. Beard
13. Riley

Posted by CATTRACKER (Member # 55) on 05-12-2012, 11:54 PM:

Bama Cat, you might want to drop Lamb and add Alex Groza to your list. He wasn't an All-American three years in a row for nothing, one of only 3 players to ever receive such an honor at UK.

Posted by ukcatfannfl (Member # 1425) on 05-13-2012, 08:19 AM:

Nash did have Ted Deeken(sic) playing with him who was a very good player if I remember right. as an aside - believe Deeken stole Nash's girlfriend or vice versa and big fight ensued which didnt help the team for a while! [Smile]

Posted by rlt4uk (Member # 3194) on 03-17-2020, 03:28 PM:

C.....Anthony Davis/Sam Bowie

Pg....Kyle Macy/Rajon Rondo

Sg....Jeff Sheppard/Malik Monk

Pf....Kenny Walker/Jamaal Mashburn

Sf....Ron Mercer/Pj Washington

Posted by handycat (Member # 2323) on 03-17-2020, 04:09 PM:

This thread darn near gave me a heart attack. Saw
names of posters I haven’t seen in years and one I know who has passed. Finally saw this thread was started in 2008! Thanks for the memories😊

[ 03-17-2020, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: handycat ]

Posted by PaulCat (Member # 513) on 03-18-2020, 07:26 AM:

Handy, it's also amazing that many of the names from the 2008 post are still posting today!

I didn't realize it was so old as i first started reading it. Then I noticed one of the posts was mine, and i thought someone hacked my account! That's when i realized it was from 2008.

[ 03-18-2020, 01:23 PM: Message edited by: PaulCat ]

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 03-19-2020, 12:50 AM:

TCD has been a "very" good group of posters that really get along which is what makes all of you so very special. I just wish we could all get together sometime but realize that it would be next to impossible to do.... I don't remember one instance in all these years where "anyone has made the hint of a derogatory remark about any TCD'er and that means a awful lot...God Bless all of you!

Posted by catmandoo (Member # 1284) on 03-19-2020, 10:48 AM:

Here is some of Rondo's accomplishments in the NBA. Los Angeles Lakers:

Los Angeles Lakers
Position: Point Guard
Jersey Number: 9 (Celtics, Mavericks, Kings, Bulls, Pelicans, Lakers) - view jerseys...
Height: 6-1 / 1.85 mts
Weight: 186 lbs / 84.4 kg
Born: February 22, 1986 in Louisville, Kentucky, USA
High-School: Oak Hill Academy in Mouth of Wilson, Virginia
College: University of Kentucky
Drafted: by the Phoenix Suns with No. 21 overall pick in round 1 of the 2006 NBA Draft
NBA Seasons: NBA Seasons14 (8 Playoffs)
NBA Titles: NBA Championship1 Championship
All-Star: 4 times (played 3 times)