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catmandoo
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posted 05-05-2008 11:54 PM
You may not like him so much when he is leading his Florida team to victory over us but you have to admire him as a player and a person. Read this article and you will see what i mean. He is special, a lot like our own Jeff Shepard and Cameron Mills..
On a balmy Saturday morning in mid-April -- the Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback's first weekend away from the bright spotlight of Florida football -- Tebow had never seemed more comfortable.
His playing field was a concrete basketball court in the middle of Gainesville Correctional Institute, a minimum-medium security state prison where banished major league baseball stars Doc Gooden and Darryl Strawberry once served hard time. His sideline was a 15-foot metal fence topped by razor wire and guarded by a correctional officer carrying a shotgun and driving a small pickup truck. His audience no longer was tens of thousands of Gator fans cheering his every move, but rather more than 150 inmates, many of whom are serving at least three-year prison sentences for drug-related offenses and still trying to kick the habit that put them in there.
Still, Tebow seemed as confident as when he lowers his broad shoulders into SEC defenders. He delivered his message loud and clear, as if he were barking orders in the Gators' huddle.
"Everybody is telling me I've made it," Tebow told the inmates. "They tell me, 'Tim, you have success and you've made it.' I've won the Heisman Trophy, so I've got it made, right? One day, people are going to forget about me. One day, people are going to forget about the Heisman Trophy, the jump pass and the national championship. One day, this [championship] ring is going to rust. There are only four things that are going to last forever: God, his word, people and rewards.
"Because I'm so passionate about it, and because I learned that gift so early, I don't want to go to heaven and hear Jesus tell me, 'Tim, why didn't you tell someone else about it?' It's a choice each of you have to make. I can't make that choice for you. Your friend can't make that choice for you. It's up to you. No matter how bad your life has been, eternity can be great. It's not how you start, fellas, it's how you finish."
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prophet
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posted 05-06-2008 10:20 AM
Reminds me so much of an address by Roger Staubach I heard in somewhat simitlar conditions about 30 years ago.
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Brandon
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posted 05-08-2008 07:46 AM
I'm sure he is a fantastic person.
I don't admire anything about him as a player.
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catmandoo
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posted 05-08-2008 10:02 PM
Brandon what is it that you don't like about him as a football player? I would think most any if not all fans could find something to like in a heisman award winner..
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Brandon
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posted 05-10-2008 06:46 AM
That's just it, I think the fact he won the Heisman Trophy is a sham. Tebow is a very good football player, but he is a B- quarterback and no way was he the best player in college football last year. He wasn't even the best player in his conference.
Tim Tebow looks like a gimmick to me in college football and honestly, I feel bad for the kid for having to live that kind of life. If he were just a football player, maybe I would like him better. He is an act, a show, a spectacle that people pay to see in the same way that they would pay to see the freak shows at the traveling carnivals.
Some people think Tebow is the greatest thing in college football. I think his existence in college football cheapens the game and somehow makes it less than what it is and rightfully deserves to be. In fairness, it's not all Tebow's fault, some things he has no control over like the media hype. But, no way was he the best player in college football and his integrity should have told him so and not allowed him to accept that award, which now hold little significance because its image has been tarnished. I don't blame Tebow for accepting it. After all, it is a great resume enhancer for the next level, which he will be lucky to make as a QB.
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catmandoo
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posted 05-10-2008 08:29 AM
Tebow was the number one ranked efficency passer, 32 passing touchdowns, 23 rushing touchdowns. 66% completion rate. And only 6 interceptions all season. His passing numbers are comparable to any the other quarterback finalist and his rushing touchdowns are comparable to the running backs with 29 touchdowns, 895 rushing yds. Tebow's total offense was 4181 yds a average of 321 yds per game. The only knock against him is that he's still just a sophomore. Which is about just as stupid of a reason as to say Tebow doesn't deserve the award.imo
I do think however if Dennis Dixon of the Oregon Ducks hadn't been injured 3 games before the season ended and would have been a candidate for the award he could have possibly won the Heisman as he had some awesome all around stats also.
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prophet
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posted 05-10-2008 10:47 AM
I totally and unequivocally disagree with your rant on Tebow's personal stature but that's just a difference in opinion. The argument over who was deserving of the 2007 Heisman (not the best player, by the way) is again primarily opinion. However this statement:
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... which now hold little significance because its image has been tarnished.
is factually false. The Heisman is more cherished, respected and sought after than any previous time and will continue to grow more so. Tebow's reputation is brighter than ever and he is the odds-on favorite to repeat especially since his team will be better than last year.
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Brandon
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posted 05-11-2008 09:03 AM
Ah...you caught me prophet, I should have said that in my view, the Heisman Trophy is tarnished...
I should explain why my view of Tebow is what it is. The fact that he's a sophomore doesn't figure into the equation at all. I think Tebow is a top notch football player, just not a top notch QB. his passing numbers are nice but then a lot of those yards came from YAC yards and receivers making some nice catches. He doesn't have the natural poise of a QB and really looks like a RB playing the QB position. At least, that's the way he looked last season.
Now, this is a new season and he's had a year to polish his skills (and they do need polishing, Heisman Trophy or not) and perhaps he has settled into more of a QB role. I don't agree with the idea of people comparing him to any NFL QB because there is no way an NFL QB is going to call his own number and run 20 times a game. The jump passes are a great gimmick for college, but not the NFL. So when he starts playing more like an NFL QB should play, then I will be more open to the comparisons.
That said, that was my view of him for last season. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for this new season to see if he has matured his skills from last season. We are about 3.5 months away from the start of a new season, we'll see how he performs.
I think Tony Dixon would have taken the Heisman as well if he hadn't been hurt. I think he was the best QB. I think McFadden was the best running back although his teammate Felix Jones was pretty good as well. Glenn Dorsey was the best football player in my opinion but that DE out of USC, (his name escapes me at the moment) was pretty fantastic as well. The Long kid out of Michigan was a heck of a football player.
Anyway, I like Tim Tebow as a football player just fine. I don't like Tim Tebow as a QB and the fact that he was awared the Heisman Trophy as the best college football player in the country, in my very personal opinion of course, is a sham because I can name about 6 different people that were better football players than Tebow and in fact I did in the above paragraph. This is a new season though and I will give Mr. Tebow his chance to change my mind and the many others that feel as I do.
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posted 05-11-2008 10:29 PM
Brandon, you make your points and although there probably are many fans that wouldn't agree with you, you do back them up with solid reasoning...
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posted 05-14-2008 07:00 PM
Brandon,
How can you criticize Tebow for running the ball 20 times a game, but award Dixon the Heisman who did just about the same thing, maybe more!
Keep in mind the definition of the Heaiman Trophy...the BEST college football player in the nation.
In my mind he was clearly the best player, but opinions are personalized.
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catmandoo
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posted 05-14-2008 08:28 PM
Now there is a young man that knows his football!
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Brandon
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posted 05-15-2008 08:02 AM
Did I say Tony Dixon should have won the Heisman Trophy?
I said he was the best QB. I said he probably would have won the Heisman had he not got hurt and I stick by that, but I didn't say he should have won it.
Tebow is a good football player. I don't think he was the best in college football and in fact not even the best in his conference. I think Dorsey was the best football player in the country but they don't usually award the Heisman to Defensive Linemen, in fact it's rare that they award to a defensive player at all. There were a few offensive linemen that I thought were deserving as I thought they were better football players than Tebow. But, Tebow is the guy that gets his name called on most of the plays and he's the guy that gets the focus on the pregame and postgame shows. I would like to see a pregame show feature an offensive tackle and talk about his numbers and stats and how the reason guys like tebow can get their numbers is because the tackle is doing his job the best.
But, you're right, we all have an opinion. Some people think Tebow is the best, I think he's like 10th best but he won the trophy so it's a moot point now anyway.
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catmandoo
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posted 05-15-2008 03:34 PM
Probably the best comment made in this thread..
we all have an opinion. Some people think Tebow is the best, I think he's like 10th best but he won the trophy so it's a moot point now anyway. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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