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Topic: Big Orange Venom That Sent Sanders to UK Claims Fulmer
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eleem
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posted 11-04-2008 05:52 AM
On Monday the same Big Orange stuff that rolled downhill in 2005 and slammed into Sanders found its mark on the head coach. Fulmer announced his “retirement,” three days after Tennessee fell to 1-5 in the Southeastern Conference – the same SEC that saw UT in its championship game in 2007.
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boomdaddy
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posted 11-04-2008 10:14 AM
The UT football program demands success. They are not unlike Alabama football or Kentucky basketball. I see absolutely nothing wrong with expecting your team to continue its winning ways. If UK basketball pprogram was ho hum about success, BCG would not be in his 2nd season and primed for a big season. In high dollar successfull college programs, you either win or get out of the way.
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prophet
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posted 11-04-2008 11:27 AM
Hear, hear, boomdaddy! There are some interesting parallels between UT FB and UK BB.
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posted 11-04-2008 02:41 PM
Give Fulmer credit for showing up in person to deliver his swan song speech and not to skip out of town to some remote location without a goodbye to the players he recruited or a formal press conference announcing his decission. This is one of the worst Tennessee teams I ever remember, but with the announcement look for the Vols to play "over their heads" when Big Blue comes to town. Fran Curci can tell you about playing Tennessee in his farewell game!
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ShawnKempIsMyDaddy
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posted 11-04-2008 05:18 PM
The fans who have fulmer's blood on their hands deserve what they'll get over the next 16 years compared to these stats given to them over the last:
- 151-50
- 13 times in the top 2 in the East
- 6 Times finishing the season in the AP top ten (10 times ranked in the top 15)
- Wins in the Hall of Fame, Gator, Citrus, Citrus, Fiesta, Citrus, Cotton and Outback Bowls
Just like the UK fans who ran off their last coach (and still find a way to advertise their hate for him in seemingly unrelated message board threads) deserve what they'll get over the next decade compared to 263-83, ten combined SEC season/tourney titles and a 23-9 record in the NCAAs.
I guess Kentucky doesnt have a monopoly on fans who think the grass is always greener with a coaching change.
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posted 11-04-2008 05:24 PM
Maybe it's just a coincidence....
But ever since he got busted for cheating, and (to cut a deal) he ratted out Alabama back in the early part of the decade....his teams have started going downhill. Wonder why that is?
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prophet
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posted 11-04-2008 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by ShawnKempIsMyDaddy:
The fans who have fulmer's blood on their hands deserve what they'll get over the next 16 years compared to these stats given to them over the last:
- 151-50
- 13 times in the top 2 in the East
- 6 Times finishing the season in the AP top ten (10 times ranked in the top 15)
- Wins in the Hall of Fame, Gator, Citrus, Citrus, Fiesta, Citrus, Cotton and Outback Bowls
Just like the UK fans who ran off their last coach (and still find a way to advertise their hate for him in seemingly unrelated message board threads) deserve what they'll get over the next decade compared to 263-83, ten combined SEC season/tourney titles and a 23-9 record in the NCAAs.
I guess Kentucky doesnt have a monopoly on fans who think the grass is always greener with a coaching change.
As I commented earlier in this post there are interesting parallels between UT FB under Fulmer and UK BB under Smith. One of those similarities is that both coaches' tenures can be divided into two disparate sectors and in both cases the second of the sectors shows declining trend lines reflecting program deterioration. Focusing on the whole of Fulmer's and Smith's work misses the all important negative drift of recent years. Here is commentary on bi-tenure nature of Fulmer's time at UT:
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Smith's tenure at UK is well chronicled.
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ShawnKempIsMyDaddy
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posted 11-04-2008 09:49 PM
So viewing someone's full tenure is somehow not telling the whole story? That's an interesting way to look at it.
I think smith, fulmer, smith fans and fulmer fans would all agree that they declined in their last years as head of their programs at UK and UT. But we all experience peaks and valleys, strikes and gutters, and what I said was that the people who think the answer to any slip is to change a coach, especially when the one in place has the accomplishments of smith and fulmer deserve what follows.
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posted 11-05-2008 05:55 AM
Penn State and FSU are examples of good solid programs that are still riding their respective coaches through peaks and very long valleys. Even though Penn is good this season, they are over rated. But, any team that wants to be on top, doesn't stand pat with a coach that becomes stagnant. Michigan is one who changed coaches. It is a matter of time before they start smacking OSU around and then the Buckeye coach will be on the hot seat.
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